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> I am a very happy user of an old ENOX 42" TV, very much not-"smart".
>
> I am looking to replace it. Was hoping I would find some non-"smart" options from a manufacturer whose similar product I own and am happy with.

ENOX:

> It is not smart to go for a non-smart TV anymore 😊

Well, calling your customers dumb is certain *a* strategy, not sure if it's a good one. 🤷‍♀️

Hey, they double down! 🤣

> What do you think the Smily sign 😊 stands for? Most people know, for a Joke.

@rysiek it’s not often I invite a television manufacturer to step outside so we can settle our differences without a little decorum but in this case I might make an exception

@rysiek @djsundog I'm in the market for a new TV as well, and I wonder if there exists a 4K, HDR TV that is not smart.

I've been casually looking around, and so far not much luck. I was even looking for the kind of commercial grade stuff, but those are generally not HDR.

@loke From what I read some time ago that someone was looking for something like that IIRC they ended with a commercial display, like the ones in the shops and stations, and a receiver/decoder connected to it, it was almost impossible to get a high end TV without the "smart" part. @rysiek @djsundog

@ghostdancer @loke @rysiek @djsundog These commercial displays are quite expensive and sometimes come loaded with crap (Teams, anyone?).
I ended up with a 'smart' TV-screen + RPi4, the TV has no network - and to be sure, the firewall in the router has rules to eliminate any requests coming from such a device.

ghostdancer

@sv1 That's a cheaper option, just don't turn the smart tv part on . @loke @rysiek @djsundog

@ghostdancer @sv1 @rysiek @djsundog true. That's what I did with my old TV. But at the same time, it's kind of a matter of principle.

@loke this.

Plus, if the device has WiFi and if your neighbor has an open network, who's to say that the TV won't auto-connect?

For your convenience, of course.

I would be begrudgingly fine with a *physical* switch that would disable "smart" crap, though.

@ghostdancer @sv1 @djsundog

@rysiek @djsundog @sv1 @ghostdancer @loke I've heard anecdotes that such TVs now *do* mesh together when that's not an option, or exploit Bluetooth connections from unwary guests/users (I would need to look into how that one works).

@lispi314 That could be a nightmare, the moment it appears a backdoor you have a mesh or rogue access points. @djsundog @loke @sv1 @rysiek

@rysiek @loke @ghostdancer @sv1 @djsundog Solder bridge the antenna trace to ground.