Me:

> I am a very happy user of an old ENOX 42" TV, very much not-"smart".
>
> I am looking to replace it. Was hoping I would find some non-"smart" options from a manufacturer whose similar product I own and am happy with.

ENOX:

> It is not smart to go for a non-smart TV anymore 😊

Well, calling your customers dumb is certain *a* strategy, not sure if it's a good one. 🤷‍♀️

@rysiek Am considering to splurge on a very large monitor in lieu of available non-smart tvs on the market...

@whvholst same

Hey, they double down! 🤣

> What do you think the Smily sign 😊 stands for? Most people know, for a Joke.

@rysiek it’s not often I invite a television manufacturer to step outside so we can settle our differences without a little decorum but in this case I might make an exception

@djsundog

@rysiek @djsundog I'm in the market for a new TV as well, and I wonder if there exists a 4K, HDR TV that is not smart.

I've been casually looking around, and so far not much luck. I was even looking for the kind of commercial grade stuff, but those are generally not HDR.

@loke From what I read some time ago that someone was looking for something like that IIRC they ended with a commercial display, like the ones in the shops and stations, and a receiver/decoder connected to it, it was almost impossible to get a high end TV without the "smart" part. @rysiek @djsundog

@ghostdancer @loke @rysiek @djsundog These commercial displays are quite expensive and sometimes come loaded with crap (Teams, anyone?).
I ended up with a 'smart' TV-screen + RPi4, the TV has no network - and to be sure, the firewall in the router has rules to eliminate any requests coming from such a device.

@sv1 That's a cheaper option, just don't turn the smart tv part on . @loke @rysiek @djsundog

@ghostdancer @sv1 @rysiek @djsundog true. That's what I did with my old TV. But at the same time, it's kind of a matter of principle.

@loke this.

Plus, if the device has WiFi and if your neighbor has an open network, whose to say that the TV won't auto-connect?

For your convenience, of course.

I would be begrudgingly fine with a *physical* switch that would disable "smart" crap, though.

@ghostdancer @sv1 @djsundog

@rysiek last time this came up I realized I could “upgrade” my old 32” 720p dumb tv to a 36” 1080p monitor for like $200.

The remote is already broken so it isn’t like getting up to turn it on or change the input matters. Though I might miss not having 3 hdmi ports.

@rysiek I was looking for such an unicorn for years and came up with zero results. The whole market is just flavors of Android now. So I had to go more radical, found the schematics for mine, opened it and unsoldered the wifi part. I did void the warranty but I think it was worth it.

@villewilson ha! smart! I need to consider this.

the other option is some "professional displays" like this one:
https://iiyama.com/gl_en/products/prolite-lh5541uhs-b2/

but these tend to be more expensive than "smart" TVs 🙄

@rysiek @whvholst I've seen people discuss "digital signage" in that context

@viq @whvholst I am looking at this
https://iiyama.com/gl_en/products/prolite-lh5541uhs-b2/

@rysiek @loke @ghostdancer @sv1 @djsundog Solder bridge the antenna trace to ground.

@rysiek @villewilson

My solution is just to use a computer monitor. They all have HDMI input nowadays, and mostly they don't have the frame-rate-increasing feature which I find utterly loathsome to watch. Then you can hang your Roku dongle or whatever, or even a mini-PC set up as a media center, off the HDMI port.

I set up my Dad's minimally-smart TV so his Roku dongle is powered off the TV's USB port, so it's cut off when the TV isn't on.

@publius @rysiek @villewilson computer monitors aren’t safe either.

@puppygirlhornypost2 @rysiek @villewilson

Eugh!

@publius @rysiek @villewilson Doesn't a Roku spy on you just as much as a TV?

@zillion @rysiek @villewilson

Probably. But you can unplug it.

@villewilson @rysiek Ideal would be replacing the software.

@dalias @villewilson ideal would be not having to do any of that, actually.