@neurobashing @jwz In theory, there's an interop there. Anyone else can create an "indexer" of the PDBs, including BlueSky itself.
That would require a lot of money though.
ActivityPub avoids this by not along assuming that you can access the entire firehose. That's the tradeoff. There's no easy way to search the entire Fediverse (at least not like the central indexes that ATProto requires).
@egerlach @neurobashing @jwz No...There's no reliable interop here. Bluesky controls almost the entire ecosystem. The instant they decide they don't want to interop, they'll change one or more of the things they control to turn it off, even if you think some current or future aspect of AT-proto makes that impossible. (It does not.) The plan here is to build something that can only work if you trust Bluesky, for the threat model where you don't trust Bluesky. This plan is that dumb.
@marcusb @egerlach @neurobashing @jwz Isn't this exactly "anyone using XMPP can talk to Google Talk (until they couldn't because Google decided that wasn't valuable anymore and made some change entirely within their scope and broke it?)". Baffling why this lesson needs to be learned again.
@bobthcowboy @marcusb @egerlach @neurobashing
Yes, it is 100% exactly that, all over again.
Except this time with: soliciting donations from well-meaning dupes, then setting that money on fire.
@jwz @bobthcowboy @marcusb @egerlach @neurobashing
I just don't get why techy people who genuinely believe in open standards fall for this? How can they not see the problem?
Is it the power of wishful thinking? Peer pressure?
@FediThing @jwz @bobthcowboy @egerlach @neurobashing No idea. Here’s what I’ve observed, after participating in many discussions about this over the last week*:
Half of the advocates (Cory Doctorow, et al.) approach this from the Big Idea perspective. “Interoperability(TM)” will force Bluesky’s hand. No other details matter.
The other half nerd out on some detail of AT-Proto or another: “all ya gotta do is get 20M users to host their own PDS”. No other details matter.
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* do not recommend
@marcusb @FediThing @jwz @bobthcowboy @egerlach @neurobashing I had my own go-around regarding interoperability between social networks. Cory’s idea *might* (temporarily) solve the problem of talking to users inside Bluesky, but does nothing for anyone wanting to leave there. https://findthethread.blog/Interoperable-Friendship/
@riotnrrd @FediThing @jwz @bobthcowboy @egerlach @neurobashing
Bridgy lets you talk to users on Bluesky. Bridgy does not cost $30M.
@marcusb @riotnrrd @FediThing @bobthcowboy @egerlach @neurobashing Bridgy does not even remotely solve the problems they are proposing to solve. So while Bridgy is also stupid, it does not demonstrate the point you are trying to make.
@jwz @riotnrrd @FediThing @bobthcowboy @egerlach @neurobashing
I’m aware of what Bridgy does and does not do.
The comment I responded to said “ Cory’s idea *might* (temporarily) solve the problem of talking to users inside Bluesky, ”
Bridgy *does* do that. You can use it today to talk to people on Bluesky today.
A careful reader would note: I didn’t say I thought Bridgy was great, or that it would work forever, or that is tries to solve the same problem as Free Our Feeds.