@Gargron Okay, we can maths this!
On Spotify an artist gets $0.006 per listen.
For an £8 ($10.47) CD, an artist gets £1.04 ($1.36).
So, that means you would have to listen to the same song (or combination of songs across the same album) 227 times.
Assuming an average pop song is 3 minutes long, that means 11 hours and 21 minutes of listening time.
@trechnex Damn that’s a tiny margin on those CDs. Is that due to the label cut or CD production/distribution costs? What would the numbers be for artists who run their own labels?
@Gargron I don't have those answers, unfortunately.
This is one of those subject where you could go "full CGP Grey" and disappear down a rabbit hole into the different arrangements that different artists and labels arrive at for different formats.
@Gargron @trechnex mostly production. Beside the actual CD, there is, usually, all the staff for mastering, and studio. My father and some of my friends are professional musicians (intermittent du spectacle), I can ask them. They don't belong to a label and usually are selling their CD when they perform. Yet, they still don't make much margin.
Assuming they release 1 album per year, if I (1 patron) listen to Spotify the entire work day, every week, every month, for a year... That's more than the price of 1 CD of just 1 artist. With Spotify, I'm supporting multiple artists. And, no CD production costs. ☝️
$0.006 x 15 songs/hr x 8 hrs x 5 days x 4 weeks x 12 months
me buying 2 CDs a year
In fact, people bought singles every week that were then counted in the charts. Albums would cost more than singles because there would be extra songs and dedicated fans support artists they like.
I very much doubt nowadays people would pick two albums on a streaming service and listen to nothing but those two albums for the duration of time you're quoting.
But now with Spotify, I still listen to oldies, but discovering more music. So I end up supporting more #artists and contributing more than just buying 1 or 2 CDs a year. ☝️
@trechnex @Gargron Well mathed, but not really right at all: https://musically.com/2020/05/05/spotify-should-pay-musicians-more-lets-talk-about-how/
So if you only like the one song, and there are 10 songs on the album, you only need to play that song 23 times to make it pay the same as the fraction of the album it contributes?
That's a lot better than I expected, & if I discover a new song I like, I can easily listen to it 23 times in a row.
Pretty shitty that the artist is getting one tenth of album sales though...
Worst still, I technically got it wrong with these figures as the $0.006 figure is the lowest average for the *rights holder*. The artist may not be the rights holder, and it could be split multiple ways between the artist, label, etc.
@signaleleven @trechnex @Gargron Online music streaming services are MORE THAN UNFAIR. Here is the thread with some compiled information:
Some details about the streaming services that should be explored in details but usually are overlooked:
1) the cost and the pollution of used bandwidth
2) streaming services are still "burning money" like Uber and they haven't moved a single gram anywhere - https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/spotify-hits-180-million-users-and-loses-even-more-money-703781/
3) The pay for the artists depends on the PROPORTION of the song played in given month to the total count of all played songs - see the section "How are Streaming Payouts Actually Calculated?" here: https://soundcharts.com/blog/music-streaming-rates-payouts
People have become so used to the compressed MP3 audio of streaming services that they're blown away when they hear the same songs uncompressed on vinyl or CD.
If you rip the CDs to FLAC (a compressed but lossless format) then you get the best of both worlds. You can also buy them directly from services like 7Digital.
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