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I feel that people posting excerpts in their RSS feeds instead of full content basically ruins RSS.

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@tomasino I hate that. I really wish people would publish proper feeds.

@tomasino It may have made sense a long time ago when available bandwidth was a tenth of what most people have now, but HTTP 2.0, gzip compression, and available bandwidth should be enough to send a 20 text/plain books of 32kb in size each in under five seconds, in most parts of the globe.

@tomasino I think the reason is people want me to look at their ads but I have them blocked anyway. Nobody wins.

@kensanata @tomasino exactly. I'd prefer ads in the rss feed rather than making me click. What I do instead is send the URL directly to Pocket from within my reader so I can read the article at my leisure which basically strips the ads out before I get a chance to see them.

@kensanata I think it's the default in a lot of blogging platforms and people don't even think about it.

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Yep. Medium seemed to do either this, or publish a half item or something, but seems to be inconsistent at least.

@tomasino @kensanata I feel that RSS readers that do anything more than tell me the author, date and title of the post to read are a nuisance and a security risk. I'd much rather read posts in a proper up-to-date browser where I can follow links, bookmark and so on as normal.

@edavies @tomasino A security risk? Isn't visiting the original site a security risk?

@kensanata @tomasino I use Liferea but have no idea what HTML rendering engine it uses and whether it's up to date on my system so avoid opening anything in it as far as possible. Much rather read stuff in a version of Firefox which is as up to date as Ubuntu keeps it.

@edavies @kensanata I read in plain text. Not so much of an issue

@tomasino @edavies Do you use ridi? Or simple html2text? Or Gnus nnrss? rss2email? Curious to know more.
The Planet Venus code simplifies incoming HTML, if you decide to create an extract of the original text, but for private use I'd probably want the complete text, including HTML, and no scripts, and my own CSS. Sounds as safe as can be to me…

@kensanata @tomasino I just use Liferea to scan the feeds and flag up new things to read, then read them with Firefox. Is it that weird to read web content with a web browser?

But, I'd prefer that Liferea presented a slightly smaller attack surface given that it doesn't seem to have the same level of resources applied to its security as the major browsers.

I've considered doing my own feed scanner but given the abominable mess RSS is I've never got round to it.

@edavies @kensanata newbeuter/newsboat for command line reading. It simplifies things pretty well. If there's formatting it doesn't handle well I view the original in lynx by pressing "o".

I don't see any justification for JavaScript in RSS

@tomasino Thanks. In these situations I am always tempted to go with Emacs & Gnus but right now I basically use Feedly on the laptop and an iOS app on the phone. I’d like a different solution for the laptop and will have to try newsboat.

@tomasino @kensanata Sometimes I don't see any justification for JavaScript, full stop. But whether or not it is justifiable is orthogonal to the question of whether you got to a bit of web content by browsing or by being notified of an update via a feed.

@edavies @tomasino Yes, JavaScript is orthogonal to how you get your news. I only brought it up because I felt that JavaScript was the only reasonable security issue I could imagine with respect to reading news. If I just get raw HTML, executing JavaScript and displaying images exploiting display code seem like the only attack vectors people have used to spread malware. I'm not aware of HTML rendering resulting in security relevant issues.

@tomasino @kensanata We clearly have different mental models of what RSS and Atom are for. I think of it as just a way of finding out about new content on sites I'm interested in. What are your views?

@edavies @tomasino To me, feeds allow me to use a feed reader, an application tuned to my expert user status, a UI that allows me to quickly scan and read lots of material with as little movement as possible. Clicking, loading, other tabs, aiming the mouse pointer, these things area easy to start with but they don't grow with me. So that’s the benefit of a dedicated news reader, independent of the GUI vs. text question. Text interfaces simply fascinate me.

@kensanata @tomasino Yes, opening pages in Liferea is very clumsy - part of why I'd prefer it not to try to be a browser as well so a single click can open where I want it open. Once I've got a few items open in Firefox tabs, though, reading through them is very quick; it's just a one-stroke mouse gesture to close each when done with it.

@edavies @tomasino How strange that you would call RSS an abominable mess. RSS has always worked very well for me and the libraries I used. I’ve done a lot of feed parsing, merging, extracting and producing over the years. πŸ˜€

@kensanata @tomasino Seems to me that multiple β€œversions” which are actually completely disjoint languages is a bit unnecessary in something so simple.

I simply don't see the point of reading web content at the command line. I often want to view images, search on content, follow links, bookmark and so on, all of which are best done in a browser.

@edavies @tomasino I agree with you regarding the various versions out there. To me, the RSS 2.0 version by Dave Winer just fixed what what was missing in RSS 0.91 – more content, and attaching audio files for podcasts. I don't care much about the other versions one way or the other. Atom promised the return of the read-write web with Atom editors and the like. But that is not how it turned out. Atom just ended up being more complicated than RSS 2.0. 😒