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There is no real alternative. I would say the most web-like desktop toolkit is probably JavaFx
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Flutter seems to be Android and iOS only. Unless I am missing something?
@wakingrufus @maiki they’ve got some code to run on macOS. It’s not surprising it works well. It’s just skia
@maiki I keep wanting to poke at Cordova some and see how it performs. I think that could be similar.
@timotheus @maiki I was musing to myself a couple of days ago, wondering if Mozilla cood do a BSD friendly version of electron.
Though Electron must kind of sting over there, after Mozilla tried to get developers to use xulrunner for over a decade with very little success.
@timotheus @maiki Also it looks like Cordova depreciated all their interesting and mostly useful to me targets and is spinning up electron as a target to handle desktop apps in the future? *le sigh*
@satchmoz @timotheus Ya know, I don't even care. Like, I am curious, but fuck web wrappers.
I like native clients. And I like web pages, even apps. I don't need a wrapper, but maybe someone does. Fuck em.
@maiki @timotheus You have me kind of convinced that hypertext is for documents which suits me nicely and fits with my love of other more traditional languages for application development.
So it doesn't really hurt me in my own endeavors. Mostly.
Though ill be honest, I do *kind* of miss atom.io. Im still not as up to speed with emacs as I was with it.
@timotheus @satchmoz Ah, did Atom have an emacs mode?
Also, that is a very pretty website: https://web.archive.org/web/20180513204327/https://atom.io/
I had a good bad-experience recently, so it is allowing me to see the web for what I care about, and I have zero fucks in my sideboard, so there we are. ^_^
I also think we are going to build a new web browser, with a variable value for "new".
@maiki @timotheus It had all the modes. Extensive plugin architecture to allow you to customize its behavior and visuals.
Electron keeps giving me papercuts. Not as a developer, but as a user. Because it is rapidly becoming the default cross platform way of making mobile and desktop apps.
@maiki @timotheus Me as a programmer, im going to continue leaning on the languages I know and keep slowly picking up scheme. If I do get around to mobile development one day it will either be in Kawa or mayhaps phone operating systems will be decent by then.
P.S. A good rundown of how horrible Electron's build system is from some poor souls trying to get it running on OpenBSD: https://deftly.net/posts/2017-06-01-measuring-the-weight-of-an-electron.html
@satchmoz @timotheus "Fuck 'em."
That is my new mantra towards bad actors in the web world. Sounds bitter, but I am gleeful when I mutter it!
Fuck 'em! ^_^
@maiki servo might have the embedding api? So much work left in that though
@sweetietheyknow I see #Flutter is at https://flutter.io/. What exactly is Servo?
@sweetietheyknow Oh, I think it is #Servo at https://servo.org/, ne?
@maiki yup! To talk about it better we should understand why chrome is is using the resources it is
@maiki Cordova is similar, isn't it? I haven't really poked at either.