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Identifying and excluding collaborators is a fundamental aspect of any revolutionary effort. If you want to make a major change in a society, it's critical that the people opposed to that change don't have the chance to sandbag it from within. In the American revolution this was the job of the Committees of Safety, along with the governance they performed as the Royalists lost power.

I think about this a lot when I see someone freaking out about "cancel culture."

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@khm

This doesn't match with my personal experiences. "cancel culture" is real, and bad.

But maybe the phrase means more than I think it means? Or it means something other than what I think it means?

@khm (I realize this is funny coming from someone who has been using the handle 'cancel' online for over a decade.)

@cancel Yeah, there's some laxity in definition here that will inescapably lead to different interpretations. I was more talking about the sorts of people who spend most of their day ranting about it than the concept itself, though

@khm For sure. I want to identify and fix whatever the real problem causing this is, but I have no idea what that is.

@khm @cancel it makes it really frustrating to talk about. because a lot of people doing cancelling also say "cancel culture isn't real"... there are two dynamics where like, jk rowling or whatever is cancelled, good/seems fine, and then irl my friends who are not massively-connected millionaires get cancelled through unhealthy community dynamics and it ends up being a lot of talking them down from ledges and working to rebuild their lives and social circles

@dogstar @khm yeah that second thing is what I’m talking about. It’s related to the first (we shouldn’t do that either, I think, unless it threatens safety or governance) but I’m seeing it everywhere now, and it’s kinda frightening and I don’t know what to do about it

@cancel @khm yeah i definitely do think it's related... it comes from a larger problem where a lot of people (and in my world, a lot of younger gay, allegedly lefty people) really wanting to be police constantly on patrol for some reason, which makes me sad

@dogstar @khm @cancel
i feel the same about this when people are beggin mark zonkerberg to police some rightwing people and it's like "are you sure you want monk zapperberg to be in charge of what people can say"

@chee @khm @cancel god that stuff is its own huge miserable problem though. because the answer is "zuck shouldnt be in charge of anything" and/or "fora like this should not exist" but it turns out that he is in charge of the mechanism that is getting death cultists elected to the US senate and causing various southeast asian genocides

@chee @khm @cancel now im remembering how facebook has so many warehouses full of people just reviewing traumatizing content and getting destroyed and im feeling v sad

it seems to me that two separate conversations are happening here.

as regards interpersonal relationships and the internet, I absolutely agree with what has been said by both @cancel and @dogstar

I too find it disturbing how a sort of cancelling/policing mindset seems to be infiltrating areas where it does more harm than good.

but I got the impression @khm was talking about *activism*. and for activism, very different rules apply: there, it is vital to find people who are on the same page.

@kompromist @cancel @khm

i totally agree! i think your point raises how hard and subtle it can be to talk about these things

i definitely also agree with what i think was khm's intention

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