@jba

Alas, yes.

This may well be the final push for me to start using emacs.

@ParadeGrotesque I've always disliked JetBrains products. I've never understood the love for them as I've found them bloated, slow, unresponsive, and, quite frankly, inferior to alternatives. But people love them...

@jba

Well, on a reasonably powered machine, they *are* responsive.

And coding with them -- especially PyCharm -- is a bit like magic: the IDE auto-suggest the next command and/or variable and is even able to suggest the completion for most libraries.

Add to this an OK support for vim keyboard commands and they have been my goto tools for a lot of stuff.

But not any more, not after seeing this.

@ParadeGrotesque I've never found their auto-suggestions to be better than anyone else (at least in the past when I've tried them...). And "reasonably powered machine" has usually meant "machine that neither I nor my employer has."

They're probably fine tools, but I don't have the hardware or patience for them.

@jba

After that screencap neither do I.

What are your go-to tools as a programmer? Asking for a friend...

@ParadeGrotesque I'm extremely biased as I write, maintain, and sell a Fortran IDE (which has some Python support, including not-so-great Python auto-suggestions).

I use Simply Fortran for almost everything (C, Lua, Python) (yes, I dog-food my product).

But I also love Visual Studio (on Windows) and Visual Studio Code. When I was a regular Java programmer, I adored Eclipse, though everyone told me I was wrong.

I've played with Wing for Python, and it's slick.

I do love Sublime, though.

@jba

I refuse to use anything that has Microsoft in its name, so VS Code is out.

Eclipse makes me cranky. That UI is just... I mean, I can't. Wing IDE I have tried, but it's about the same as Eclipse, as far as I am concerned.

I am afraid I really have to learn Emacs. At least, the pain should pay off after a while.

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@ParadeGrotesque try Sublime Text sometime, in that case. I love it!

I don't know, though... Visual Studio Code doesn't "data process" my personally identifiable information like in your license agreement you posted...

@jba

Well, emacs:

- dired
- magit
- tramp
- gnus
- org-mode
- eshell
- mastodon-mode
- irc
- and more languages than probably any other editor ever.

Nothing but GPL goodness in all of this. And the "evil" mode if I ever want to feel "at home".

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