@sir What alternatives could you suggest? IRC is text-only and primitive and Matrix is slow and I haven't yet seen a client with decent UX. I haven't used Zulip or Mattermost yet, I've only heard of them.

@phoe IRC is king, text-only is a feature not a bug

@sir @slp Of course it's a feature - unless you want to chat with someone who isn't a complete and total developer nerd like me or you and wants standard contemporary features like automatic image uploads, conversation threads, channel history, or if you want to build a community of non-technological people around your software. At that point, I observed that people prefer to leave rather than stay on IRC.

Or they start Discord servers of their own.


I'm sympathetic to those concerns.

With IRC trollspamming finally endemic on many FOSS-associated networks & subsequent need for nick registration, the very low barrier-to-entry of IRC which was a trade-off against more intricate feature sets is gone.

@sir @slp



That said, there are many choices which provide more features, but retain IRC's end-to-end freedom.

@sir @slp

@phoe @sir @slp

whichever is used by a project, my take is that it should be bridged to IRC at the very least.

@deejoe @phoe @sir @slp I wrote an IRC bridge for Potato. Sadly, not enough people were interested in a free Slack alternative to make that project viable.

It's a pity, since it worked perfectly fine, was self-hosted and had features that Slack still lacks (for example, the ability to implement bots that push custom HTML in replies).

@deejoe @phoe @slp more features are the opposite of what we need


yes, I've seen how you cherish such an expansive & welcoming "we"

@phoe @slp

@deejoe @phoe @slp who pissed in your coffee & asprin mug this morning


I don't know, but, see, it's afternoon here, and there's this guy in the timeline being all shouty, who then gets all knee jerk & sarcastic even with folks who support some his points.

But nah, that couldn't be it, could it?

@phoe @slp

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