Definitely. We should absolutely dissolve the system responsible for lifting billions out of poverty and which led to the highest standard of living in human history and immediately replace it with, what.. communism I suppose?
Yeah, that’ll work out great. I mean, it always has before, right?
you mean the same system that does everything in its power to not pay people a living wage?
Yes, I mean the system that pays people what their labor is worth. As unpopular as it is to say, flipping burgers is not worth $15USD (or whatever the local currency equivalent is) an hour. Want to make more money? One should improve their skills. My goodness, it has never been easier in history to learn new things and pick up new skills.
You mean the same system that literally invented slavery?
Huh, wasn’t aware that capitalism went back to ancient Egypt or even before. Or did you think that slavery just simply didn’t exist prior to the 18th century or so? Slavery is awful and an affront to all humankind, however it was neither invented by nor made worse by capitalism.
You want to say that people forget what capitalism is and then that people who say that communism et al killed off more people is just twisting facts and history. Then off you list off a bunch of capitalism’s supposed terrible evils.
Even if we pretend that they’re all true, they aren’t but lets just pretend, none of them are inherent in the system nor a direct result of the guiding principals and ideas of the system. On the other hand, the hundred odd million dead or more that can be laid at the feet of communism are a direct result of the core principals and ideas of the system. For all its ills, capitalism doesn’t generally result in famines, forced labor, mass land evictions, totalitarianism and of course, failed governments. There are reasons communist governments tend to be highly oppressive authoritarian regimes.
People flee communist regimes and risk life and limb to get out and into the Capitalist hell-scape you seem to think exists. People build makeshift rafts to leave Cuba, not go to it. Why is that?
I could go on myself. However, I’ll just toss it over to history. No system is perfect. No implementation of any imperfect system will be perfect itself. However, one system or set of systems has reliably lead to mass death, starvation, oppression (for real oppression, not the pseudo-oppression people whine about from time to time), and worse. One system invariably leads to poverty and stagnation for the masses. The other has lifted more people out of poverty in less time than anything else in history. One leads to true concentration of wealth and power in the hands of those fortunate enough to be part of the State apparatus. The other may result in billionaires, but it also results in millions being far better off as well.
There is also supreme irony in bemoaning the evils of capitalism on the Internet, from a highly advanced computer or mobile, and so on. The only thing that would make it better is if you’re connecting from an iPhone or Mac
@feld @eldaking @wolfie @firstname.lastname@example.org this, and even if you do have the time to learn new skills good luck getting a job without credentials, networking, and lots of luck, assuming you're even in an area with a lot of jobs.
Let's do build a system that pays people what their labor is worth and lifts us out of poverty, though! Your intentions are in the right place even if you mistook capitalism for something good. I've been there, I think many of us have...
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