**Tinker** @tinker@infosec.exchange · Apr 25, 2018, 15:25

**Tinker** @tinker@infosec.exchange · Apr 25, 2018, 15:25

Tinker @tinker@infosec.exchange

This is why I only use & support Free & Open Source Software in my personal life. This man is going to prison. Prison.

"A California man who built a sizable business out of recycling electronic waste is headed to federal prison for 15 months after a federal appeals court in Miami rejected his claim that the “restore disks” he made to extend the lives of computers had no financial value, instead ruling that he had infringed Microsoft’s products to the tune of $700,000."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/true-crime/wp/2018/04/24/recycling-innovator-eric-lundgren-loses-appeal-on-computer-restore-discs-must-serve-15-month-prison-term/?noredirect=on

**Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅** @bob@soc.freedombone.net · Apr 25, 2018, 15:34

**Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅** @bob@soc.freedombone.net · Apr 25, 2018, 15:34

@tinker Arguments over Microsoft licenses. Its things like this which motivated me to move to GNU/Linux in the 2000s. Fortunately these days there's no reason to run a MS operating system, except perhaps for games.

**Tinker** @tinker@infosec.exchange · Apr 25, 2018, 15:35

**Tinker** @tinker@infosec.exchange · Apr 25, 2018, 15:35

@bob - And even then, go take a look at Steam's Linux platform and games that work on it. Can play many games on Linux.

For me, the only thing that keeps many of my family on Windows (or a Windows VM) is MS Office. That's why I support LibreOffice so much!

**Shufei 🈳** @Shufei · 2018-04-25T15:47:29Z

Shufei 🈳 @Shufei

@tinker I’m curious why your loved ones would be so beholden to Office? Is there some especial capability there without a FOSS solution?

I jumped ship to OO, then LibreOffice years before going full Linux. So far, it has been vastly more utilitarian for my needs. And that included organizational office work. What am I missing?

Thanks.

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**Tinker** @tinker@infosec.exchange · Apr 25, 2018, 15:51

**Tinker** @tinker@infosec.exchange · Apr 25, 2018, 15:51

@Shufei - Excel is powerful and smooth. So is Word.

LibreOffice Writer and Calc are very good, but they are not as good as MS Office so far as polish and functionality.

They tried LibreOffice and other "office" suites. Couldn't do it.

We keep trying it out. With LibreOffice 6 out for a bit now, it's time to revisit.

**Shufei 🈳** @Shufei · Apr 25, 2018, 15:59

**Shufei 🈳** @Shufei · Apr 25, 2018, 15:59

@tinker Ok, makes sense. Glad it’s not a major deficit.

I vaguely recall a few UX issues when I switched to Calc that took getting used to. But eventually I got used to LibreOffice so the problem is on the other hand.

Thanks!

**Tinker** @tinker@infosec.exchange · Apr 25, 2018, 15:59

**Tinker** @tinker@infosec.exchange · Apr 25, 2018, 15:59

@Shufei - Oh yeah! I'm over to LibreOffice myself. And it's really close. Big reason why I support them. They're almost there for most mainstream folks!

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 25, 2018, 20:34

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 25, 2018, 20:34

@tinker @Shufei Second this. Unfortunately there’s also a boatload of Excel specific functionality baked into countless spreadsheets powering business

I mean that literally. Entire business, even some large corporations, make critical business decisions off Excel. Until LibreOffice has parity match in features and identical results, this probably won’t change

**Sean R. Lynch ☑️** @seanl@literati.org · Apr 25, 2018, 20:37

**Sean R. Lynch ☑️** @seanl@literati.org · Apr 25, 2018, 20:37

@cypnk @tinker @Shufei It's depressing that THIS is what FLOSS software is supposed to be aspiring to.

FLOSS should aspire to be so compelling that businesses are willing to put in the effort to switch.

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 25, 2018, 21:49

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 25, 2018, 21:49

@seanl @tinker @Shufei Microsoft inserts its tentacles early into the chain. When I was still in school, there wasn't a single class on FOSS software for businesses in the office. Everything was Word this, Excel that (emphasis on Excel). There was even "MOS Certification" (Microsoft Office Software Certification)

So we have newer generations entering the workforce already primed to accept proprietary software as the default and virtually illiterate on the alternatives

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 25, 2018, 21:49

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 25, 2018, 21:49

@seanl @tinker @Shufei Oops, that's "Microsoft Office Specialist". It's like Cisco for word

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:02

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:02

@cypnk @seanl @tinker @Shufei to be fair I wouldn't want children using Linux...I'm not sure adults should be using it either

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:11

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:11

@kara @seanl @tinker @Shufei Hersey!

*throws salt*

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:12

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:12

@cypnk @seanl @tinker @Shufei some rubidium chloride, I hope, that stuff is hard to get hold of

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:16

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:16

@cypnk @seanl @tinker @Shufei (I mean, my position here only gets clearer the more I use Linux: it and its relatives are the only option to clawing back some control of my tools, but I loathe Linux with the fire of a thousand Suns and one day I hope to be powerful enough to destroy it utterly)

**lovecraft in brooklyn** @amphetamine@sprite.land · Apr 26, 2018, 01:17

**lovecraft in brooklyn** @amphetamine@sprite.land · Apr 26, 2018, 01:17

@kara @Shufei @tinker @seanl @cypnk have there even been 1000 players on the Suns roster?

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:18

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:18

@amphetamine @cypnk @seanl @tinker @Shufei I bet if you include guys who never actually saw any play

**infinite love Ⴟ** @trwnh@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:34

**infinite love Ⴟ** @trwnh@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:34

@kara @cypnk @seanl @tinker @Shufei what did linux do to hurt you o_o

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:37

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 01:37

@cypnk @seanl @tinker @Shufei @trwnh it escaped from the lab where it should have died a merciful death, succumbing to the multiple ailments it inherited from the foetid UNIX gene pool

**infinite love Ⴟ** @trwnh@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:49

**infinite love Ⴟ** @trwnh@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:49

@kara like, something concrete, i mean.

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:51

**r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖** @cypnk@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:51

@trwnh @kara Please don't leave me out, I wanna hear this explanation

Like syringes and stuff were involved or was it compiler issues?

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 02:15

**Kara Dreamer ⚧** @kara@occult.camp · Apr 26, 2018, 02:15

@trwnh surely that's concrete enough? xD

**infinite love Ⴟ** @trwnh@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:27

**infinite love Ⴟ** @trwnh@mastodon.social · Apr 26, 2018, 01:27

@tinker @Shufei and yet, when i load ms excel into obs, it doesn't render at all, but libreoffice calc works perfectly fine