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Mozilla Google budget screaming 

Something is just wrong here... Mozilla just extended its deal with Google (making it the numero uno search engine) for something like 400 million dollars PER YEAR. For the next three years.

That is 1.2 BILLION dollars from 2020 to 2023.

If you cannot run a freaking NON-PROFIT on 400 MILLION dollars PER YEAR that means:

a) You are paying your executives too much.
b) You don't know how to manage a non-profit.
c) All of the above.
Source: zdnet.com/article/sources-mozi

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@ParadeGrotesque

This should make many people very angry.

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@TheGibson

It makes ME very angry.

I used to run Firefox when it was still named Phoenix. I have always used Firefox as soon as it went out of beta. That freaking move by the Mozilla Management is pissing me off.

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@ParadeGrotesque I think we are all upset to it by one degree or another...

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@ParadeGrotesque and that is chump change to Google... broken off to hold off anti-trust suits.

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I also used phoenix and then firefox. But Mozilla pissed me off by:

making ff fat and slow
bundling software
enabling/adopting questionable feature
making deals with google (and others)
fostering centralization
patronising users

I'm mad that Mozilla is failing and disappointing me again and again. Ff is not my main browser for years, but I always hoped that eventually they will get the message.

I went from Seamonkey to Phoenix 😇

Re: frustration from ploy of Mozilla layoffs followed by Google funding 

@ParadeGrotesque

I'm going to go around the fediverse and post this toot everywhere to express my frustration.

mastodon.technology/@shine/104

I'm sorry if this comes as spam to you, but I am really, very frustrated by hearing this news.

@TheGibson

re: Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@TheGibson @ParadeGrotesque It does. I wrote a rant about it on /r/firefox and it's sitting at 210 upvotes w/ 68% upvote frequency, and many comments that echo the experience and the sentiment.

The reality is this: since some years they've been deaf to us and lived in a bubble, high on Google $$$. We didn't notice bc our trust & sympathy blinded us. Now with the FF on Android fuckup and this last bs they've just made it so obv that even the blind would see.

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Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque Uhm... WTF is going on? OK, I do get what's going on, but... Ah, well.

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque

Is that "cash money"? Or is a significant amount of it some kind of in-kind credit, say, for Google Ads? The latter is the kind of funny-money accounting common in startup financing deals, or so I have read. Provide something which is accounted for at a nominal price well above what it actually costs you.

@ParadeGrotesque "However, several sources have confirmed that the organization is sound financially, and the layoffs were part of a restructuring of its core business, with Mozilla moving away from its current role of internet standards steward and experimental approach to its product catalog to more commercially-viable offerings that generate revenues on their own."

This from the link you pasted. So sounds like it has nothing to do with budget, but rather changing priorities.

@karan

Let me ask you: why is a non-profit organization trying to sell commercial products?

This is a *non* *profit*for Pete's sake. They are moving away from what they are supposed to do!

@ParadeGrotesque that's a fair question to ask, and not one I know the answer to.

Your assertion in OP though is misleading and dangerous for Mozilla in the long run.

@karan

How is it misleading? 400M$ per year should be enough to cover Mozilla expenses.

I *know* there are some incredibly important non profit orgs running on much less per year.

For instance, Amnesty international, which is a huge org, has a budget of +/- 300M$ per year. And they do a lot more in the real world, while Mozilla work (while important) is entirely "virtual".

My point is the following: Mozilla does not have to fire anyone. This is bad management, pure and simple.

@ParadeGrotesque read the quote again. It's not a matter of covering expenses, but where those expenses go.

@cadadr @ParadeGrotesque you can choose to believe only yourself. Nothing anyone will say will change your mind then

@ParadeGrotesque @karan

The commercial arm which raises unrestricted income to support the non-profit is a common model - amnesty etc will have this too. I agree completely that they do have loads of money.

It's frustrating that their commercial activity doesnt seem to be targeted at diversifying away from that Google money. Never has been from what I've seen.

@jamesmullarkey @ParadeGrotesque read the post in the link. Diversifying income is exactly why they say they have to refocus.

@karan @ParadeGrotesque

Yeah that is what they always say. In two more years we will be back here again. :)

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque This is incredibly disappointing.

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque I want to stop using Firefox now. Any suggestions for a better browser?

I’d love to have one that clears all data upon exit (ephemeral mode). The new MS Edge *gulp* does that, but I’d prefer an indie alternative.

@brianpagan I don't know if it does what you are asking, but #Vivaldi is a small company - mostly based in Norway - and hiring ex-Opera devs.

vivaldi.com

@matt thank you! Just downloaded it and am trying it out now. 🙏🏼

@matt and yes, Vivaldi has a setting to only keep history for the current session, so it’s all wiped on exit 😃

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@brianpagan when it comes to browser you unfortunately do not have many options. The browser itself is not really relevant, but rather the engine behind it, because that's what web-developers need to target. You can either use Opera/Vivaldi/Brave/Chrome and support Google, use Epiphany/Safari and support Apple or Firefox and support Mozilla. The current landscape sucks and there is not much we can do about it. 90% is Google anyways. We aim for a Monopoly.

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@JayVii_de I’m happy they got called into congress to testify to their business practices in that antitrust hearing. They’re the new Rockefeller and JP Morgan

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@brianpagan @JayVii_de

There aren't any perfect options for browsers unfortunately. The DuckDuckGo app for Android and iPhone can burn all the data with a single click which might be an option.

Have a look:
Https://notochrome.org #NoToChrome

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@jamesmullarkey @brianpagan isn't that one based on Fennec or Chromium as well? (Either way, probably using geckoview, blink or webview on ANdroid and webkit on iOS)

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@JayVii_de @brianpagan

I've not actually been able to find any info on what the DDG app is based on. I even contacted them about it. If you've seen some in please let me know. I hope it isn't blink.

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@jamesmullarkey @brianpagan Looking at the sourcecode, it imports Android's webview in multiple occasions, so it is most likely based on Webview.
github.com/duckduckgo/Android/

So if Playservice is installed, it uses chrome's blink directly. But it should be able to choose geckoview from the Android system settings as well when installed, *if I understood the project correctly*

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@JayVii_de @brianpagan

Useful thanks. I notice @privacytools only recommend it for iOs privacytools.io/browsers/

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@JayVii_de IIRC DDG Privacy Browser is actually based on Firefox.

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@BustaMarx possible, although the UI elements look VERY different and i could not find a trace of firefox or gecko in the source

firefox 

@brianpagan @ParadeGrotesque If you want the web to function, then your choices of engines are Chrome, Firefox, or Mac Safari. Pick your poison. Then pick a browser that builds on that poison.

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque
Should I abandon Firefox? What are the alternatives?

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@techit @ParadeGrotesque There's not much doubt that Mozilla is badly administered and that a lot is wasted on exec salaries. I'd also question the corp's financial judgement in laying off the Rust team, because that's a trending language and could have been lucrative in terms of seminars, training courses and wotnot.

There are lots of browsers out there, but it's basically a duopoly. Either you're using something based on Firefox or Chrome. Unless you're a holdout like me using fediverse in Lynx.

The real solution is probably to produce new browsers based on simplified protocols which can be fully implemented by small teams in a tractable amount of time. Gemini is nice, but not intended to replace the web.

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@bob
So the future of web browsers is Google? I hoped to avoid that
@ParadeGrotesque

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque
I don't like this, but I'm going to stick with Firefox. It's still better than the alternatives.

And it's positive that Mozilla is trying to sell things now, because that's the only way they'll be able to get rid of the dependence on Google funding.

It's a rotten situation that the web is in the control of a few big companies. Mozilla raise awareness about that, but they still have to play the game.

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@ParadeGrotesque you might want to have a look into this project, it tries to hardfork current firefox: https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/ I hope this will be the ff fork done right this time!

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@tinfoil-hat @ParadeGrotesque if Mozilla falls, so does this project. A Mozilla is barely able to keep pace with a giant like Google. How could a small FOSS community project?

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@ParadeGrotesque seems like there's some deep mysterious truth to the idea that the managers will destroy everything to ensure they maintain a higher place in the hierarchy & live more comfortably than their underlings...

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque the Mozilla that laid off 250 employees was not the non-profit.

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@SwooshyCueb @ParadeGrotesque I was not aware of that. My God, it's as bad as the WordPress.com/WordPress.org thing!

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque I find it always a bit vague when articles simply talk about "Mozilla", because there is a) the Foundation (NGO) and b) the Corporation (a business). These are very different things when it comes to financing.

From the financial report 2018, we can see that the 1k employees are with the corporation NOT the NGO.

From that financial report we also see that 300mio go to development and 130mio to branding/management
assets.mozilla.net/annualrepor

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque I am not saying that there is nothing wrong with their budgeting and decisions, but ppl can see (relatively) transparently, what is going on

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque in government, that would trigger suspicion of funds misappropriations and question whether paying executives that much is a scheme to hide the profits (obviously profits are being made). #ianal

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque
seems a bit like a deal google would make to avoid getting shit for effectively being in a monopoly position while also making sure they stay in thatbposition if i get that right?

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@juno

Yes, that's what it is.

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque d) Remove useless executives, might save some useful jobs and spend less money

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@ParadeGrotesque @_xhr_

Mozilla employees must be paid *really* well if 400m per year is not enough to pay 1000 of them..

I hope the remaining employees organize and force the entire corrupt management responsible for this to leave the company (and ideally re-hire the fired developers, as far as they're still available).

Mozilla Google budget screaming 

@ParadeGrotesque @_xhr_
It's also remarkable that Google pays >1 billion dollars to a browser company with <5% market share.
Is this just because they're so friendly?
Or do they think this is cheaper than mozilla going bankrupt and them potentially getting into anti-trust trouble?

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