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ubuntushop.be

Since Apple may soon block independent repairs and/or obsolete my MacBook Air I know where my next laptop is going to come from... πŸ€“

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Also interesting: tuxedocomputers.com

They have some interesting laptops and workstation configurations with AMD Ryzen CPUs.

@ParadeGrotesque Damn, 5 year guarantee is such a good selling point. The only country that has 5 year guarantee for hardware in Europe is Norway, and that's like over 1k krone (Norwegian currency) afaik + iirc :linus:

@burek
350 euros for a 5 year warranty extension on Tuxedo.

Kinda pricey. I'd like to know if their computers are worth it, though.

@ParadeGrotesque That sucks, i thought you get it with any of their hardware. It's too pricey imo, you can get like 2 x220-230 Thinkpads. Yeah, they have good advertisement but they might not be as good.

@burek
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My philosophy has always been: unless you drop it on concrete, a computer should work when opening the box.
If it works when you open the box, it's probably good until you drop it on concrete... πŸ˜‹
If it does not work when you open the box, you can replace it anyway, simply by putting it back in its box, and sending it back.
5 years warranty on something like a laptop is probably overkill (but that's just me).

@ParadeGrotesque That's a good philosophy haha Yeah, it is, but then again you have older, non-tech people that want their laptops to work, so from that angle 5 years is a really good deal for them. But i do agree that 5 years in general is kinda overkill.

@burek
If you have "older" people, they should be on iPad, IMHO. Much less work for the maintainer of said hardware.

Yes, in my family, that's usually me. How did you guess?

And older users are the worst: computer does not work? Too slow? Weird virus thingie? Just replace it!

@ParadeGrotesque hahahahhahaah i somewhat feel your pain, Mr Parade πŸ˜‚

@ParadeGrotesque interesting indeed. They claim 24hr of battery life using a 40wh battery and a 4.5w cpu. Is that even possible?

@cfenollosa
If the cpu is always draining 4.5w, then it would only last 9 hours. Assuming the cpu is the only thing drawing power.

But, with power saving states, it will be able to draw much less power. So, unless you are running the laptop at full tilt with jobs or using a heavy desktop environment, 24 hours could be possible.

@sowth @cfenollosa

Yes, I think that kind of battery life is only possible by using CPU MHz slowdown and/or core switch off.

Not entirely sure this is possible with Linux, by the way.

@ParadeGrotesque @sowth but the screen, radios and other components also take energy I guess. Nonetheless it looks like it can be considered β€œall day battery life” which is an excellent goal. A very tempting machine especially for the price

@cfenollosa @sowth
Except for the screen, especially the backlight, the biggest battery killer is definitely the CPU.

Wifi and Bluetooth are relatively low power, especially compared to a modern CPU running on all cores at full blast. SSD are also low power, as far as I know, especially compared to HDD.

@ParadeGrotesque
I think their devices are quite pricey. How about getting a Lenovo and put Debian on it yourself? Usually gets you better specs. It's not like Ubuntu-Shop makes use of coreboot or libreboot, so their added value is tails as live boot? You can do that ;)

@sexybiggetje
I don't see Lenovo as much cheaper than either ubuntushop or tuxedo, unless you have a cheap site somewhere.

I am big fan of the MacBook Air form factor and portability, and AFAIK, Lenovo does not have something as thin as that, while these are quite close (and offer customization).

Finally, I don't touch Debian at all. Slackware if it's Linux, OpenBSD otherwise... πŸ˜‰

@ParadeGrotesque
That's good, lenovo's are pretty cheap here in stores. I'm still shopping around for my MacBook Pro replacement. Lenovo's hardware is usually quite good supported on bsd's.

Can't go with open or FreeBSD yet though due to sublime text 3 and vscode/atom not running on it yet. Electron recently got workable though, so hopes are up ;)

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